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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Hiya! Lucy! Now.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Aye.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: how you doing.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: I'm good. Thanks, Andy.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Good. Good. Yes.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: I'm okay to record this session. Yeah, they normally let me. Okay.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Will be back.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Okay. What's your name? Please.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Emilio.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Hi, Amelia! I'm Lucy.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Nice to meet you actually let me change my name here.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: People know

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: how to call me if they need to.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: This is my 1st session. So.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Is it.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: So bear with me.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Yeah, no, it's fine. I'm in my hotel room. I'm on the road at the moment. So I'm just sitting in bed in the smallest hotel room in the history of the world. Look at this, look at this.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Can't breathe.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Room. It's so small it's the smallest one I've ever been in. It's basically a cupboard.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: dear.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Do you have many people sign signed on for this.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: I'm not sure. Actually, I think we're having about 200 300 per session. But for this, specifically, I'm not sure.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: 200 300 is what it normally seems to be is the first, st time, i've done 9, pm, I usually do 3 Pm. Uk time

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: And and what do you? What do you think about? 9 Pm.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Yeah, I'm very tired. I wish it was earlier, but I was at work earlier this this time around. So.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Oh, is this? Has this started? Oh, sorry!

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: I think people have been let in. Yeah.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: One second.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Looks like there's about people are joining. Yeah.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Yes already.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: yeah.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: So I'm not sure.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: One second.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Well, we're still. We're still

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: early.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: So yeah, it's it's a few minutes.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Before we start.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: I didn't see?

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Hmm.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Well, I can. I can answer the questions in the meantime. So Lisa asks

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: if there's a list of times for webinars, so I'll share the

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: the hub.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: On the on the comments.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: So you can access the

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: the the different times.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: And yeah, don't forget to to register, so you'll you'll receive a notification before the the webinars start.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: and also you'll be able to find the recordings after they've been processed by Zoom on the same on the same hub.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: We're still 10 min in Luc. If you want to take a break before we start.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Yeah. Sure.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Okay.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Lisa, have you checked your spam folder?

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Maybe maybe the emails are going there.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Okay, Lisa, can you send an email to Hello at pro writing aid.com.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: and we'll be. We'll be able to to help you with that.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: I believe that.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Michelle, right now. It's

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: reading the email, so she she'll be able to to help you.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: So the email is Hello.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: at

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: for writing a.com.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: We're still a few, a few minutes

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: before we start. So if you have any questions, if you're having issues,

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Joining any of the of the sessions.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: feel free to to reach out to us.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: So we have people from

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: the world. So we have Randy from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Newbie writer and retired police officer, Hi, Rodney, and Welcome. We also have Matt from 5 in Scotland.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Welcome, Matt.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: We have Susie

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: from near Oxford, in England.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: and Lisa from Maury, Scotland. So welcome Susie and Lisa

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Becky from New Zealand, and Gabrielle from North Carolina.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: also Julie from Bromley, near London. Hi. Everyone.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Helga from Amsterdam as well.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Kendra from Colorado, deb also from Denver in Colorado.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: I can or I can. Please please correct me if I'm wrong. From Montreal.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Samantha from Saskatoon.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Yeah, it's it's a very mixed crowd from all over the world.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Also, Judy, from Pittsburgh.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: I'm gonna share the link to the to the hub

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: in the comments. So you can have a look at the different sessions that we that we are

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: having this week.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: and you'll be able to watch the replace there as well after they've been processed by Zoom.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: and we will be starting soon in 5 min.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Hello, Christine, yeah, we we well, we haven't really started yet. But we did let everyone in a bit early.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: so don't worry. You've not missed anything just yet.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Hi, Linda! From Saskatchewan. Chairwoman.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Okay, we we will start soon.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Just a couple of minutes.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Hello, Lisa! Hello, Christine!

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: It's not letting me put my video back on Emilio.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Hmm!

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Can you leave the session and come back? Maybe now I'll give you host permissions as well when you come back.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Yeah, no, this is still well, it's still not letting me put my video on for some reason.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: maybe. Have you made me co-host.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Yeah, just did.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: It's weird because it was fine a minute ago.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Yes, I don't know what the problem is that

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: beeny, Meeny?

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Maybe if I choose. Virtual background.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Okay.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: No.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Nope.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Mount.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Oh, strange

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: was absolutely fine a minute ago.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Let me see if I can get some support.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Okay.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: It's not the end of the world. If I could. If I'm not on here.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: If you, if you feel comfortable can you share your

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: slides.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Sure.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Will it let you.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Oh, that's the main issue. Yeah.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Hmm.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Point.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: And if you close, zoom altogether, and just.

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Lucy V. Hay, www.bang2write.com: Yeah, okay, I'll leave and come back, and I'll.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Hello, everyone we are about to start. We're just

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: having slightly

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: like a slight tech tech issue that we we hope to

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: But yeah, people from all over the world. We have

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Sarah from Arizona.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Sakara from Georgia.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Lou from Canada, Susan from upstate New York.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Nicole from Alabama. Hello, everyone.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Eva from Austria, share from St. Louis.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: I'm from Manitoba, press, from Scotland.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Sammy from California.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Cube, from Tidewater Virginia.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: people from all over the world. Well, why, Lucy joins I. Oh, Hi, Lucy.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: let me see.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Can you hear me, Lucy? Sorry.

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Lucy V. Hay: Hey? Yup, still not getting any video, though.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: I just made you co-host.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay.

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Lucy V. Hay: let's try that again.

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Lucy V. Hay: Nope, nothing.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: And

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Lucy V. Hay: Wait.

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Lucy V. Hay: It was absolutely fine. And now it's not fine. It's very strange.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: I could.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: I could present the slides for you. If you want.

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Lucy V. Hay: Yeah, I think that might be a good idea. Cause for some reason

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Lucy V. Hay: there's just nothing coming through which is really odd.

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Lucy V. Hay: Very odd indeed, I've never had this.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Yeah, this is very strange. Can you send? Can you send them to? Hello pro writing and.com.

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Lucy V. Hay: Sure. One second

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Lucy V. Hay: I'll have to put it. Send you a dropbox link.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: That's fine. I will.

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Lucy V. Hay: Because they'll be too big for email.

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Lucy V. Hay: right?

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Yeah.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: In the meantime, everyone, please bear with us. We're having a slight take issue, but we will. We will start

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: in a second.

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Lucy V. Hay: Oh!

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Lucy V. Hay: Sis it.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Thank you so much for for your patience.

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Lucy V. Hay: Alright.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay. One second.

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Lucy V. Hay: No, that's not working.

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Lucy V. Hay: I've never had it. Say that it can't show me

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Lucy V. Hay: anything there. That's really strange.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: You know what? It's my first, st my 1st session, so.

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Lucy V. Hay: I'm.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Thanks. Thank you.

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Lucy V. Hay: And.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: This things happen on the on, on everyone's 1st session, for sure.

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Lucy V. Hay: Strange after I've used. I use it

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Lucy V. Hay: constantly, and I've never not been allowed to share video before.

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Lucy V. Hay: Very odd.

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Lucy V. Hay: right?

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Lucy V. Hay: Just upload something. No, no, no.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Yes, he cases. The psychological horror here is palpable. This is really stuff for her. No, I'm I'm joking.

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Lucy V. Hay: Isn't. It happens it's fine.

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Lucy V. Hay: It's 1 of those things.

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Lucy V. Hay: Hi! Pretty.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Yes, absolutely. We tried that already, and it didn't work.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Okay.

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Lucy V. Hay: Hey!

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Lucy V. Hay: And there we are!

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Yes, so we can do the housekeeping in the meantime.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: So I I wanted to welcome everyone to another crime writers. Week session.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Please let me know if you can see and hear me, and I know that some of you have already been dropping your location and name in the chat. We love to see people from all over the world. So if you haven't introduced yourself, please go ahead.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: I can see that we have. Anita, joining from Laredo, Texas, also heather from Pensacola, Florida.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Scottie from Monterey, California, and and many, many people from all over the world, which is which is great. I'm also going to share some links with you

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: in the chat once we start the session in in just a moment, and I wanted to go

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: with you through a couple of housekeeping items. 1st of all, the replace will be on the on the Crime Writers Week Cup.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: and there will be available as soon as the as they process on zoom. So Lucy's slide should be already.

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Lucy V. Hay: It looks like I might be able to share the slides. You just can't see me, so let me just try that.

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Lucy V. Hay: Gosh!

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Like, let's try that.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: And yeah, thank you. Everyone for joining us. We love having you here. I'm very excited to introduce you to our next speaker, Lucy V. Hay.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Lucy's a script edit editor, author, and blogger, who helps writers. She has written 3 non fiction books about writing based on her landed times as a script reader published as part of camera books, creative essentials range. In addition, she's an experienced novelist, publishing under her own name, and as the name Pseudonym Lucy Frye, her 1st noble as Lucy de Covin.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: So now, without further ado, thank you for coming, Lucy. We're very thrilled to have you back.

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Lucy V. Hay: Thank you very much. Amelio. Apologies to everybody at home who can't see me today. I am on the road at the moment. I'm doing a writers room here in London? Doing a TV series. So that's really exciting. But it does mean that my Wi-fi is quite patchy. So I suppose that's probably what's happened. But good news is, I can actually share my screen. So I'm gonna do that now.

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Lucy V. Hay: And yeah, I'm gonna get started and share with you my top 10 tips for writing your own psychological crime thriller. And here's probably one of my most

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Lucy V. Hay: famous books. It's 10 years old. I updated it for the 2,020 s. Last year, 2023, because it 1st came out in 2,013. Now it does say, thriller screenplays from TV pilot to feature film. But one thing I wanted to kind of draw your attention to is that I actually started in the world of screenwriting. And I discovered that you can actually

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Lucy V. Hay: move from screenwriting into novel writing. Basically everything that you learn in screenwriting. You can move into novel writing, and actually vice versa. Really, there's a lot of people

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Lucy V. Hay: out there who insists that screenwriting and novel writing are massively, massively different. And yet when I meet people who do both like I do. Most of us tend to feel that storytelling is storytelling. So whether you want to write a novel, or whether you want to write a screenplay, a lot of these tips you can use in either, basically. And I wanna draw your attention to the the resources page on bang to write.com.

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Lucy V. Hay: because over there you will find lots and lots of free stuff for your novel or screenplay, including a free online course, free ebooks on female characters. There's a free masterclass on characterization. There's a variety of Pdfs, including things like checklists cheat sheets plotting worksheets. You name it.

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Lucy V. Hay: and I'd like to invite you to join the conversation over at the bang to write Facebook Page, although I'm everywhere. Now I'm on Tiktok Instagram pinterest. You'll find me

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Lucy V. Hay: Twitter or X, as it's now called. And of course, if you don't like social media, that's absolutely fine, too. Feel free to send me an email whenever you like, and obviously as well. If you go over to the to the main site on bang to write.com, you'll discover that there's a newsletter as well a free one where I send tips writing tips every single week as well.

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Lucy V. Hay: So please do come join bang to rights and join the conversation. And yeah, just get obsessed with storytelling like me and the rest of the Banger writers. Okay? So without further ado.

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Lucy V. Hay: So 1st things first, st why, listen to me. I really hate it. When people give writing tips and they don't write like, what's the point? I don't get it. So I'm a published author. I've written a lot of novels now, and I have written 7 psychological thrillers, and, as you can see here, there's 6

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Lucy V. Hay: that have come out so far. This is the my most recent one, the good mother. I've also got the kill for it as well as Lizzie Fry. We've got the limbus stories. This one's completely free. By the way, if you go over to my Lucy V. Hay, author, website, or Lizzie Fry, author.com as well. You can get there that way, too. This one's a hundred percent free. You can also find it on Amazon free as well. So

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Lucy V. Hay: so please do fill your boots there. We've got a bunch of others as well.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, so you can find me under LV. Hay and Lizzie Fry. I have been published by the so called Big 5 publishers here in the Uk. I've also been published published by Indie publishers. I've also been published by quality digital 1st publishers.

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Lucy V. Hay: I'm self published as well. I'm a script editor for movies and TV, and basically, I ha! I I set out to be published by every amount, every type of publisher, and I have smashed that goal. Now I have literally been published by every publisher that you can get. Just so I can kind of get that experience and be able to actually advise writers

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Lucy V. Hay: about how these things are different. So if you're sitting at home thinking, Oh, I don't know the difference between big fives and say, digital first, st then do have a look on my site, because there's lots of information on there, and self publish lots of self publishing information, too. And I did say 7 and my latest one. It will be out on July the 18, th 2024, with Joff books.

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Lucy V. Hay: This one is set in the Uk. It's about a mum who basically loses her son in the woods. He's only 8 years old. He's got learning disabilities, and when she loses this child

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Lucy V. Hay: all the authorities basically blame her. They say that she didn't want to look after him anymore because he was disabled. And so she snapped and killed him. And it's very much about Ableism and the fact that mothers get blamed so much, and the carers don't get the support that they need, and then they get blamed for it as well. So I write a lot about issues and issues are something

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Lucy V. Hay: that really, really stand out in this genre of the psychological thriller issues are something that your target reader really really loves, and I write a lot about parenting. I was a teenage, mother, and so that means, you know, I'm in my forties now. So that means I've been a mother for over half my life. My son is gonna be 26 this year.

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Lucy V. Hay: And I've got other kids as well. So I write a lot about parenting, but I also writes about feminism being a woman. Sexism, misogyny all kinds of things to do with being female, because, of course, my target, reader, are other women, and of course your target reader in this

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Lucy V. Hay: space is probably a woman, even if you're even if you're a male writer. The vast majority of women of readers of psychological thriller are female, so that's always worth thinking about. They usually somewhere in the region of 35 to 65 as well, and a lot of my target readers. They often work in things, in, in institutions like medical teaching.

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Lucy V. Hay: Police, and all that kind of jazz. So you know, understanding who your readers are is a really really important tip. Really, psychological thrillers obviously do exist with male protagonists and male readers obviously exist. I'm not saying that they don't. But the vast majority, we're going with generalizations. That's how target audiences work and talk target readers, too.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay? So my 1st tip, then, as I was saying earlier, is study screenwriting. Okay? Because thrillers are the genre of the 20 twenties. We just can't get enough of it in movies and television and thrillers are really really hard to pull off.

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Lucy V. Hay: as I frequently say to my screen writers, is the average thriller screenplace that's speculative. In other words, no one's commissioned it. Everyone, you know. You've nobody's asked for it. You us writing it and sending it off to a producer. It's speculative.

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Lucy V. Hay: and the vast majority of those thrillers aren't really thrillers at all. They haven't really studied the genre, and they haven't studied what the genre markers are. In other words, they just become dramas with a lot of running about in and a lot of threats. That's it, you know, whereas there are very specific genre markers that thrillers have. And that's what I wrote about here. And it's worth remembering that adaptations are really really hot right now.

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Lucy V. Hay: in 2020, Netflix bought something like 284 novels. Now they're not gonna adapt all of them, but they're gonna adapt the ones that are a no brainer, the ones that are easy to adapt. Okay? So in other words, you know, we say that screenwriting is structure. Screenwriting is plot led, and by its very nature crime stories are also plot led. Because if this thing didn't happen, if this crime didn't happen.

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Lucy V. Hay: if you study screenwriting as an author, then you can stand out with very meaty plots. Remember, I do a lot of work as a script editor in movies and TV and short film. And I spend a lot of time talking to authors and authors frequently overestimate the amount of plot in their books.

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Lucy V. Hay: You know they really really kind of do way. Too much thoughts and feelings. Now, thoughts and feelings are great. They're really important. Character led moments are really important in this genre as well.

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Lucy V. Hay: would like to do both. You can do both. I do both. Lots of people do both. There is literally nothing. Standing in your way, apart from knowledge, you've got to know how crime works and how screenwriting works. So if you have any kind of inclination towards screenwriting and adapting your own novels. Then you're gonna have to do a deep dive into what screen

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, so all about premises, Aka concepts Aka, controlling ideas seed of the story, whatever you wanna call it, in the psychological thriller intrigue is everything. Mystery is really really important now. Not all.

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Lucy V. Hay: not all thrillers are mysteries, but most mysteries are thrillers. So it's really worth thinking about that. Okay? And also here, I would say, don't forget about the hook agents in particular, if you wanna have a traditional deal. The hook is so so important. The hook is that thing that's that kind of pulls people in that makes them want to read

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Lucy V. Hay: your book that puts bums on seats, as we say in screenwriting. Okay, now, a lot of people. When I say, What is the hook of your book, they'll say, Oh, well, this character has to search for the truth somehow, and it's in the psychological thriller that's a given that is not your hook. Okay? Now

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Lucy V. Hay: the psychological thriller usually deals with what I call the dramatic hook. It asks the audience to put themselves in the protagonist's place. It asks them, what would you do in this problematic scenario? Oops? Now.

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Lucy V. Hay: here, here's 1 of my books, my 2,019 book for Hoda, which was called, Never have I ever now the hook for that book is, never have I ever been punished for what I have done.

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Lucy V. Hay: because originally I wrote it into my synopsis, and that, you know, got me the sale. And one thing that people really loved about this hook was, I remember. I remember saying this to to an editor, and I said, Never have I ever been punished for what I've done.

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Lucy V. Hay: She immediately went. What have I d1? 0, my God! Immediately! She's kind of engaging with it immediately. She's thinking, what could this be about? Okay, so that's what the hook is. It doesn't have to necessarily

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Lucy V. Hay: tip 3. Create a compelling protagonist. Now, female leads feature very, very heavily in this subgenre of crime stories, and, as I was saying earlier, the reason is obvious. The vast majority of readers of this subgenre are female again, that doesn't mean that no men like it alright doesn't mean that

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Lucy V. Hay: there are people that don't fit. That's kind of generalization of who they are exist. They do exist. Obviously they do. But when it comes to target audience, when it comes to target readers, we have to go by generalizations. There's nothing else we can do. Okay. Now with this in mind, then your female lead will feature there, probably a deeply flawed and damaged

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Lucy V. Hay: children, the home. Okay. And they can't go to the police for some reason, or maybe they've been to the police already. And the police said, there's no case to answer. There's not enough evidence. There's not enough blah. Blah. Blah. Okay? So it's you know, you've got to address the fact that police exist

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Lucy V. Hay: in this subgenre. Because obviously, now, a lot of people talk about likability of their female leads. And I always say, please don't worry about likability. Okay, I don't know if I've ever written a female protagonist in the psycho psychological thriller who is likable. In fact, I would say probably they're deeply unlikeable a lot of the time. And that's precisely why people like my books, you know, my women. I'm flawed.

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Lucy V. Hay: you know. There's I've even written a couple of books in which the female leads are actually law breakers themselves as well. All of that is fine. Okay, you don't have to worry about your female character being likable. That is a red herring. Okay. Believability, though, is really really important, really important. Okay, there's a rich history of

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Lucy V. Hay: stories. Now, that means the average person at home, just from reading books, from watching television, from watching movies. They have quite a good working knowledge of how the police

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Lucy V. Hay: and those kind of scenarios work. So it has to be plausible. I'm a big fan of what I call deep research, like, for instance, I had a female character break into a car in one of my books, so I broke into my husband's car. He was not happy about it, but it works because I needed to know about this one thing, about whether it would work or not.

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Lucy V. Hay: And it did so. I'm a big fan of what I call deep research. So maybe you would be too I also talk to police officers.

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Lucy V. Hay: I also talk to other people involved in the law, like lawyers. I also talk to people like midwives and nurses, and various different kind of institutions and schools. I was a teacher back in the day, as well, you know. So I do. I really research my books because it's really, really important in this genre, that believability and plausibility are

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Lucy V. Hay: key basically for people's enjoyment. So it's really, really important. You do your research. You don't have to do deep research. You don't have to actually break into places like I have done. But yeah, you you definitely need to kind of cover this. Okay, so basically, what I'm saying is, authenticity is everything in this.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, so the protagonist will have a mission of some kind. Remember, I said a moment ago that the protagonist in the subgenre of psychological thriller is probably looking. For the truth.

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Lucy V. Hay: and that's an existential need. Okay? But there'll usually be a a real, a very real need as well. So in the case of my new book that's coming out, she needs people to believe that she lost

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Lucy V. Hay: her son in the woods, and she needs them to find him as well. So it's not just about the truth. She wants to find her little boy. Okay? So the physical need and the existential need will come together.

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Lucy V. Hay: Now, why can't the police handle it? Now? Sometimes in these stories. Your character will be searching for the truth alongside the police, and that happens in my new book. You know. She's looking for her little boy, and the police are saying. You need to let us handle it, and she's like I can't. I have to look for him myself, because what mother wouldn't be looking

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Lucy V. Hay: Obviously she would, you know, other times in other books I've had police officers believe. For example, one character killed themselves, whereas the other character believes no.

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Lucy V. Hay: she was murdered. So I'm going to do my own investigation so it can go from one end of the scale to the other. But the police need to be addressed at some point. Otherwise, again, it's not believable.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, so what is your antagonists? Evil plan? Okay? In other words, what is the crime? Why does

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, now, what kinds of things do we see in the psychological thriller? Just generally. Well, some of the things that I've written about have included cover ups and conspiracy, abduction, hostage, taking, stalking, poison, pen letters. Those are the things that I find really quite interesting and just family dysfunction and toxic family in particular, is very, very interesting

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Lucy V. Hay: to me, and the relationships between characters and the ways that we can screw one another up can be really, really interesting in this subgenre, because, of course, it's called a psychological thriller, which means you can deal with psychology. I've got a degree in psychology. I love psychology. I'm obsessed with it. So as a result, I go very, very deep into the psychology of characters, the motivation

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Lucy V. Hay: why people do what they do, including these terrible things that they do to one another. Now, I'm not saying you should go out and get a psychology degree, although if you want to, it will help you. But certainly reading psychology books is probably another tip that I can offer as being something that's really, really worthwhile. And there's a lot of really good psychology books out there that are very accessible, very interesting, and will actually help feed your imagination.

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Lucy V. Hay: So secondary characters. Aka, supporting characters. Okay. So you've usually got a female lead.

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Lucy V. Hay: Very often the antagonist is either another woman or typically, and a man might be her husband, her son, a male friend, a work colleague. She very frequently has a problem with another man. Not always, but a lot of the time and relatability is key here, because, of course, a lot of women

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Lucy V. Hay: for the truth. Okay, now, in these secondary characters. Diversity is something that the average reader really really wants as a reader. Okay, so we're talking about friends or colleagues or children, or just other people who walk on, walk off they might be Lgbtq or black Asian per people of color.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay. Now, one thing I would really strongly recommend is that you research tropes. Now, tropes of those recurrent ideas you see in stories. Okay? So, for example, there are some tropes that are considered very toxic and very bad, and an Lgbtq that turns up a lot in the psychological thriller is, you've got 2 gay characters, particularly to women.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, so more thriller tips. Now, building suspense slowly is really, really key in the psychological thriller. This is not an action thriller. So you need to read psychological, thriller books. I can always tell when I read someone's unpublished novel, whether they've actually read any psychological thrillers or not.

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Lucy V. Hay: because usually what happens is that they rush it too much, or they have lots of toxic tropes in there, or it feels quite stale. It feels quite generic. Okay, so make sure you study structure, and one of the easiest ways of doing that is by looking at visual representations of of structure, and over@uhbangerite.com forward slash resources. You'll find a plotting work

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, Tip, number 7. Don't forget your setting. Okay. Story. World as a character in its own right can be really key in the psychological thriller in mind. I like to set my stories in seaside towns, usually out of season, sometimes sometimes in season where all the tourists are there. I grew up in seaside towns over here in the Uk. Quite a lot of seaside towns are quite

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, choose your ending very wisely. Okay, this is one of the reasons that I say that you should outline because readers in the 20 twenties absolutely hate it when the ending is a whimper, they like a bang ending. Okay, there's a lot of writers out there that stories tail off, and then hardly ever as popular as the ones that really kind of throw.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, so number 9, remember your reader. Okay, remember, I've talked a lot about your target reader here. So the key themes that readers enjoy in this subgenre are justice.

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Lucy V. Hay: The biggest problem that I see writers commit over and over and over and over again is they don't get feedback, and they rush their drafting process. I mean, remember when you're writing a novel when you're writing a screenplay, and it's speculative. No one has asked for it. You can take as long as it takes. And yet writers say to me all the time that they're running out of time, and I say to them, Well, are you dead?

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Lucy V. Hay: And they go? No, and I go. Well, you haven't run out of time, and if you are dead you probably don't care whether you finish your novel, your screenplay, anyway. So how can you have run out of time when no one is waiting for this.

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Lucy V. Hay: You can make this as good as it needs to be. You know I've got clients and bang to writers who've been working on their books for 10 years. Why not? If that's what it takes, then that's what it takes. It takes as long as it takes I like to spend somewhere between 6 months and a year writing a book, generally speaking, and

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Lucy V. Hay: once you've written one book, you could find that it's never as hard as the 1st one I remember the 1st book I ever wrote. I just thought I was gonna jump out of window. It felt like it took forever. It took me about 2 and a half years, I think, from from coming up with the idea through to polishing it through to being accepted by an agent.

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Lucy V. Hay: So 2 and a half years. Yeah, it's about about right, something like that. Now I can write a book in. You know, I can write a book in 6 weeks if I want to. It probably won't be very good. But it I can do it, you know. It's not as hard as the 1st time. And

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Lucy V. Hay: there are other kind of bits of the subgenre of psychological thrillers that are harder than others, you know I've written who done it which are mysteries. But I've also written why done it so? In other words, there's no mystery component. I've

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Lucy V. Hay: personally think why done it so a lot easier than who done it. But again, once you've really studied the form and of mystery, and once you've really studied the form of thriller and all the genre markers that go in with that. Then you know what you're doing. You know, it's a framework for you to operate within. Okay, so never ever send out or self publish a 1st draft

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Lucy V. Hay: again. It's really really obvious to people who read every single day. I read every single day pretty much of the year. Maybe not weekends. Okay? So I can tell a 1st draft like that. And so can the average agent. So can the average publisher. So can the average film producer. So can the average reader. Okay, so make sure that you get beta readers or peer review

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Lucy V. Hay: Don't have to go to bang to write. If you don't want to, though, of course.

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Lucy V. Hay: if you're a crime writer, it is my specialty. I've written plenty of novels, and I do believe I can help you.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, so that's 10 tips for writing your own psychological crime thriller novel with me, Lucy V. Hey? Don't forget to grab your free stuff for your novel, especially that plotting worksheet. I think that's really, really key, because, you know, having a nice meaty plot, and your crime novel is so deeply unusual that it will.

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Lucy V. Hay: you know, really catapult you to the top of the pile. Okay? And of course, if you've got any other questions by all means send me an email or join us on the social media as well. So I think we've got some questions coming up. So let's have a look down in the QA.

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Lucy V. Hay: So Patricia says, I noticed that you publish under 2 names. Are they different genres on different audiences? Yeah, I think so I mean my Lizzie Fry ones are very much high concept thrillers. They're usually wide done. It's rather than who done it, whereas my Lv. Hay ones are usually more kind of domestic orientated, and they're not quite so high, concept.

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Lucy V. Hay: But I mean, I've got to be honest and say, the only reason I've got 2 pseudonyms is because you can't compete against yourself.

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Lucy V. Hay: And I was commissioned on 2 novels with 2 different publishers on in the same year. So they crossed over. So they said the second one was like, Well, we can't publish until this other book comes out under Lv. Hey? But there's this loophole.

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Lucy V. Hay: Lizzie fry. So come up with a pseudonym which I came up with Lizzie Fry, and then I could publish in the same year. So sometimes it's a branding thing. Sometimes it's just a legal loop hole thing as well, so that can happen too. And then, if you're a very prolific writer and I am, then it can pay to have 2 different names, so that you can publish, you know, 2 books in the same year.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, what's a great short definition of a psychological thriller. Well, domestic noir, really, you know this this notion of a woman who is up against it for some reason, usually because there's a male in her

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, Linda says, I'll be interested in knowing your views on plausibility in a thriller I've read stories where writers have made things happen that can simply never occur in life. Yeah, sometimes writers are guilty of going for the easy fix.

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Lucy V. Hay: and that's 1 of the reasons I do deep research. Other times they haven't done their research, and they're just a little bit, you know, they they're just going with what they think is real, and they haven't actually challenged themselves enough other times they do it on purpose.

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Lucy V. Hay: What are some of the psychology books you recommend for crime writers. Well, I mean, back in the day I read Carl Jung, young as in JUNG. I've also read books by Freud as well. I mean a lot of the ones that I read are quite academic ones. So one of the great things about the 20 twenties is. There's so much free content on places like Tiktok

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, is there a particular psychology reference book you prefer or use, says Nelson. I think I've just answered that. What's your preference as far which platform to publish from well, I suppose kdp

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, I finished my manuscript and went through development to edit with an editor. Should I continue editing round and round, or should I start querying? Says Taya, honestly, I couldn't tell you that I would. You know, it's how long is a piece of string? It's really really tough to know. I think there's a variety of of stuff on bang to write.com about

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Lucy V. Hay: when you when to know stuff is finished. So I think I would recommend you know, Googling, when when is my manuscript finished, plus bang to write, and it will take you through some steps, and you can kind of answer with relation to your own manuscript, because, of course, I haven't read your manuscripts, Taya, so I couldn't tell you myself.

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Lucy V. Hay: Heather says. Do you think short stories are a good way to Hone's craft absolutely. And that's why I write a lot of short stories. I think writing short stories is a really great way of mastering the craft of the psychological thriller, particularly the twist ending and that's 1 that I showed you earlier. The the Free Book.

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Lucy V. Hay: the limits. Stories. By Lv, hey? That is a trio of short stories, all of which have a twist in the end. So by all means go and download that for free.

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Lucy V. Hay: Desiree says, psychology book recommendations. Do you know any psychological thrillers that worked a short fiction less than 10,000 words. Yes, loads, I mean, I read short stories all the time. And I wrote a psychological thriller short story that was about. I think it was about 6,000 words that was published recently in a book called Terror Tales from the West Country. So it kind of had a horror stroke, thriller crossover book.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay. Carly says, is it common to have the psychological aspect take more screen time than thriller parts, as in a lot of internal thoughts I always find trying. I'm fine trying to find a balance tricky. Yeah, you and pretty much every writer imaginable. And I have beef

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay, if I'd want my main protagonist to be a male, would you still have the same advice for female protagonist, or would you recommend doing it differently. I think it depends what the story is. I think it's probably a good idea to actually think like I read a

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Lucy V. Hay: female world in inverted commas, whatever that means. Okay, what are the word counts. You recommend for different psychological thrillers of genres. I mean pretty much. All crime stories is somewhere in the region of 70 to 80,000 words. I don't know if the sub genres necessarily have very different word counts. Crime is usually 70 to 80,000.

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Lucy V. Hay: If you've been published before, then, you may get more words which I was find interesting, like, I wrote one just recently, and I think it was 90,000 words. And I thought, they're gonna tell me to get rid of 9 of 10,000 words like that. And they didn't. And I was like, Oh, so you know, you do get that privilege of having a few more words

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Lucy V. Hay: the the more books that you publish. Okay, Courtney says, do you prefer being published through the Big 5 self Publish or Indie publisher. That's a really excellent question, and I love the freedom of self publishing. But I also have a lot of irons in the fire. I've got so much to do with. You know my screen writing script, editing work as well, so I don't know that I necessarily have the kind of

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Lucy V. Hay: so bad it was. It was like she was on drugs. Indie publishers. I've had a very mixed bag experience with as well. Some have been absolutely brilliant, others have been absolutely God. Awful! So it it really depends on. One thing I would always recommend is, if you find a publisher that you like working with, then stick to them like glue if you can.

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Lucy V. Hay: women like women, protagonists, men like men, protagonists. That's just that's just the way is, you know, it's it's been like that for for a long time now. And we can fight that and lose, or we can accept that. You know there's nothing there's nothing wrong with having a male protagonist. But you know it's it's gonna be a hard sell. Okay? How did you get to be published by the big 5

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Lucy V. Hay: good kudos. By the way, you can't really get to the Big 5 without an agent. So if you can get an agent, then the agent can query or book with the Big 5, and I was lucky enough to have an agent who who had their ear, and I had a hook

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Lucy V. Hay: that the Big 5 wanted. It's that simple.

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Lucy V. Hay: Okay? So is your updated book only available in paperback. Amazon is selling both under the same heading, says Don. I'm assuming you mean my thriller screenplays book. No, it is available in ebook as well. So I think we've got to the end. Now, I think, okay. So yeah, thanks for having me, Amelio. And it's been wonderful being here again.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Thank you so much, Lucy. It was fantastic.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Yeah. And yeah, so I wanted to thank everyone

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: for joining, the feedback that everyone has shared is is really great.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Please follow, Lucy.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: You will find also all the links on the hub for you to view at your leisure. Thank you for coming today. Thank you, Lucy, for returning again. Really great presentation, and we hope to see you, everyone in just under an hour for our next session.

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Lucy V. Hay: Fabulous. Thank you so much for having me again. And please get into in contact if you've got any questions, cause I'm always happy to answer.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Amazing. Lucy, have a lovely day, everyone, and see you in the next session.

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Lucy V. Hay: Bye, bye.

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Emilio @ ProWritingAid: Bye.